Ford vs Lincoln - Engines

"MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner" (montegoman562) 08/24/2016 at 11:10 • Filed to: LINCOLN, ENGINES, FORD, COMPARISON, RESEARCH

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So I was in a discussion on the front page about how Lincoln and Ford are not just rebadged. They offer exclusive engines in all but 1 model and even have different suspension sometimes. MKC is a great example of different suspension, it also doesn’t share a single bit of sheet metal with an Escape, it’s a different cross over.

Lincoln Navigator 3.5L EcoBoost V6 - Photo linked from releasedatesnewcars.com

I’m mainly writing this post because I didn’t want my engine research to go to waste, haha. I’ve listed below the engines available in direct Ford/Lincoln counterparts. (Note I’m saying “Turbo” for specific Lincoln engines because the current Lincoln.com website only references EcoBoost for select motors, I think they’re moving away from it- you can now feel free to rejoice - I know you want to) To be clear - this is a comparison of directly comparable models because the FP was saying to just buy the high trim level Ford with leather over the comparable Lincoln. I’m not saying the engines are Lincoln exclusive just exclusive in that model comparison.

Escape/MKC:

Escape: 2.5L I-4, 1.5L EcoBoost I-4, 2.0L EcoBoost I-4

MKC: 2.0 Turbo I-4, 2.3 Turbo I-4

Fusion/MKZ:

Fusion: 2.5 I-4, 1.5L EcoBoost I-4, 2.0L EcoBoost I-4, 2.7L EcoBoost V6, 2.0L Hybrid and Hybrid Plug In I-4's

MKZ: 2.0L Turbo I-4, 2.0L Hybrid I-4, 3.0L Turbo V6

Edge/MKX:

Edge: 2.0L EcoBoost I-4, 3.5L V6, 2.7L EcoBoost V6

MKX: 3.7 V6, 2.7L EcoBoost V6

Taurus/MKS:

Taurus: 3.5L V6, 3.5 EcoBoost V6, 2.0L EcoBoost I-4

MKS: 3.7L V6, 3.5L EcoBoost V6

Flex/MKT:

Flex: 3.5L V6, 3.5L EcoBoost V6

MKT: 3.7L V6, 3.5L EcoBoost V6

Expedition/Navigator:

Expedition: 3.5 EcoBoost V6(365 hp, 420 torque tune)

Navigator: 3.5 EcoBoost V6(380 hp, 460 torque tune)

To me the most important part of all this information is that the only vehicle that has a direct counterpart over at Ford that doesn’t have a unique motor is the Navigator.

X-Ray View showing 400 HP 3.0 Twin Turbo V6 in the 2017 MKZ - Photo linked from Lincoln.com

Sure they kind of skate by with the 3.7L V6 in a couple of these models (I’m looking at you outdated MKS and MKT). But those are the older non-updated models that are set to be phased out. You may say the 3.7L isn’t exactly desirable, but hey, they still used something different than the Ford. And even in the Navigator they gave the 3.5L a unique tune that bumped the power output.

2.3 T AWD badge on 2017 MKC - Photo linked from Lincoln.com

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 11:15

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Don’t forget the Mustang Ecoboost and Focus RS also use the 2.3L Turbo I-4 as well; albeit in either revised or modified forms and layouts.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 08/24/2016 at 11:16

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Oh no, I’m talking about Ford vs Lincoln direct comparisons only.

The reason for that is the FP was making the argument to just buy the high trim level Ford with leather. I’m saying that’s not always the right choice because of engine changes in comparable models.

jimz > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 11:18

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anyone who equates “platform sharing” with “badge engineering” needs to be beaten with reeds. Mercury was nothing but re-badges. Lincolns have their own styling, sheetmetal, and interiors.

jjhats > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 11:19

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all your 1.5 should be 1.6

jimz > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 11:21

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The reason for that is the FP was making the argument to just buy the high trim level Ford with leather.

the funny thing is that hardly anyone in those comments is even in a position to buy a “high-trim” Ford, nevermind a Lincoln.

but, there is a grain of truth to it. At least with Lincoln’s pre-MKC lineup, there really wasn’t much to recommend them. They may have had their own sheetmetal and interior, but what did buying an MKS over a loaded Taurus actually get you?

jimz > jjhats 08/24/2016 at 11:24

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nope, Sigma was downsized to 1.5 except in the FiST.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > jjhats 08/24/2016 at 11:27

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False.

Example from 2017 MY Escape ford.com webpage:

shop-teacher > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 11:29

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This list is not exactly blowing my skirt up.

Related: I so wish I could afford a new Continental.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > jimz 08/24/2016 at 11:30

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In my opinion a better looking car inside and out is what it got you. That’s all personal opinion when you’re talking about styling though.

The new ones are much more my argument than the MKS and MKT, I did call them neglected in my original post.

jjhats > jimz 08/24/2016 at 11:32

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didn't know that. thanks

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > shop-teacher 08/24/2016 at 11:32

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I’m sorry I didn’t realize that 400HP in a Fusion sized car didn’t get you excited.

I’d lose my shit for my car with just about double the horsepower.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > jimz 08/24/2016 at 11:34

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As much as it hurts my soul, modern Mercuries didn’t have anything exclusive other than a grille, headlights, tail lights, and my analog clock which gets me this quote: “you know my shit’s fancy because I have an analog clock”

shop-teacher > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 11:35

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Yeah, I would too. I was just razzin’ ya :)

jimz > jjhats 08/24/2016 at 11:45

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I think it was in 2016. IIRC it put cars using it into a lower tax band in China, and since the minor drop in displacement didn’t amount to a hill of beans, it was just done globally.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > shop-teacher 08/24/2016 at 11:46

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YOU BETTER BE!

Hahaha

If anything I just didn’t want my engine list to go to waste.

punkgoose17 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 11:50

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An MKZ will get you electric rear sun shades and front and rear heated seats for $45k. I haven’t browsed luxury cars in about a year but those are some great value luxury options.

WiscoProud > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 11:51

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I always thought the Fusion was a good looking car. They've given it the power it needs, now go the extra step and make it an actual sports sedan or at least give a manual option for the big engine.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > punkgoose17 08/24/2016 at 12:04

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Shit’s fancy yo

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > WiscoProud 08/24/2016 at 12:06

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So they can sell as many of them as the Chevy SS?

There isn’t a market for sport sedan’s with manuals these days.

WiscoProud > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 12:17

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The difference is the sports sedan version wouldn’t need to carry the model, the volume versions do that. It would just be a “halo” version of the fusion like the original Taurus SHO. They sold a lot of SHOs, but the sales were dwarfed by the sales of the normal one. I would also compare it to the Focus RS. They won’t sell nearly as many RS as regular ones, but that’s fine. Basically I’m looking for a Fusion RS.

The Chevy SS is a stand alone model that gets little to no marketing, and is priced way too high. If they lowered the price to that of a V8 Camaro and marketed it like a 4 door Camaro like Dodge does with the Charger/Challenger, I think they would sell a lot more of them.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > WiscoProud 08/24/2016 at 12:22

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Yeah but the SHO doesn’t have a manual. If it did they wouldn’t have sold as many. I just don’t think Manuals in modern daily driver cars are worth it, but I know it’s an unpopular opinion around here. The Focus RS is probably not a daily driver.

I wish they’d make all the ridiculous things like Fusion RS but man I don’t see the sales.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 12:35

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You keep listing the Ford’s NA V6 as 3.5L but I’m pretty sure they are all 3.7L v6's

CobraJoe > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 12:39

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In the 70s and 80s there was at least some differences between Fords and Mercs, mostly down to better interior materials and better sound deadening.

When I was growning up, my family owned 2 80s LTDs and 2 Grand Marquis. The merc was definitely the quieter and comfier version.

CobraJoe > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 12:42

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Yeah but the SHO doesn’t have a manual. If it did they wouldn’t have sold as many.

That’s a pretty poor assumption. There are plenty of people who prefer a manual (or are willing to drive one if it’s a good deal), but just having the option for a manual shouldn’t affect the overall sales negatively.

Now, if it was a manual only version (like the Fiesta/Focus ST), then I could agree that they wouldn’t sell as many.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CobraJoe 08/24/2016 at 12:42

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My 07 Mercury is definitely a bit nicer inside than the ford despite making jokes. The cloth seats are even nicer car vs car in my experience.

WiscoProud > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 12:44

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The original ones did. The first ones only came in manual. The second version came with both. It was only the last versions that were auto only.

The beauty of a halo package is you don’t need them to be volume leaders, you need them to be a halo car to bring attention to the lower trim levels.

As for practicality, that’s the beauty of sports sedans like the Audi S4, C63 AMG, Panamera, Challenger, etc. You get higher performance and driver engagement, while still being usable on a day to day basis.

punkgoose17 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 12:46

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It does seem to be lacking the analog clock though.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/24/2016 at 12:52

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They are 100% 3.5L’s in the Taurus and Edge the 3.7L was previously available on the Edge Sport it’s no longer an option.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > punkgoose17 08/24/2016 at 12:54

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Whoa, revoking it’s monocle privileges

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CobraJoe 08/24/2016 at 12:55

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Yeah but they aren’t going to develop it if they don’t think they’ll sell enough.

Dave the car guy , still here > jimz 08/24/2016 at 12:57

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Speaking of platform sharing, whats happened with the Ford/ Mazda partnerships recently ? No more massive platform sharing like the CD3 ?

jimz > Dave the car guy , still here 08/24/2016 at 13:05

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Ford divested itself from Mazda nearly completely several years ago. The only remaining “partnership” they have is they sell a re-branded version of the Ranger as the Mazda BT-50. All of the Mazda-based Fords are gone. The current (CD4) Fusion is descended from the Mondeo’s EUCD platform. The Escape/Kuga are on the global “C” platform, and the Edge (CD4.2) is a moderately embiggened CD4. I think the only non-Ford platform still in use is the Volvo-based D3/D4 of the Taurus/Explorer/Flex/MKS/MKT.

the Duratec 2.5 is still basically the Mazda MZR engine, but the EcoBoost versions are significantly different.

CobraJoe > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 13:06

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That’s only if the transmission will only be offered in the Taurus/SHO.

There’s always the oppurtunity to put the same trans or a variation of it into the Fusion or equavilent lincoln models to provide a sport option.

I know it’s not likely, but I’m always hopeful.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/24/2016 at 20:23

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Great article! I just don’t get the front page hate with Lincoln.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 08/25/2016 at 10:06

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Thanks! Man they sure as hell don’t go after Acura, Infiniti, or Audi anywhere near as hard as they do Lincoln.

Acura? Just buy the Honda. Infiniti? Just buy the Nissan. Audi? Just by the VW.

Those rarely ever get brought up despite shared platforms and engines.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/25/2016 at 22:31

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Agreed. The VW/Audi difference is perhaps the greatest but Lincoln isn’t too far behind and definitely ahead of Acura or Infiniti.

Acuras even look like Hondas! They’re not even trying!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 08/26/2016 at 10:42

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And how about they go make fun of Chrysler for a while, they basically just make a crazy out dated 300 and a new minivan (they cancelled the 200 didn’t they?)

Why are they still in business?

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/26/2016 at 14:25

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Ugh, have you seen the options on them? A 300 hp 3.6L v6 or 360hp 5.7L v8? It’s like Clarkson said “how do they get such little power out of such a big engine?” Chrysler is barely a brand much less premium or luxury.

I’m excited for Alfa Romeo, but very little else FCA does interests me anymore.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 08/26/2016 at 14:36

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Dodge has fun (or ridiculous) stuff, but chrysler is useless.

The 3.0 Twin Turbo V6 from Lincoln is pushing 400 hp and 400 torque all the way down in an MKZ but Chrysler can’t hit 400 with a 5.7L Hemi?!

bltoe > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 10/30/2016 at 09:44

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Interesting read, thanks. I had no idea the MKZ had an available 3.0T V6...with 400 hp! Looks like the FWD version is limited to 350hp but apparently gets all 400 lb.-ft. That must be some incredible torque steer. May have to stop by the local dealer to experience.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > bltoe 10/31/2016 at 11:33

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Glad you enjoyed it. A lot of people commented that the engine may be available on the other brand, but in different cars. I really just wanted to point out that car vs car or platform vs platform they were actually different and the old “dressed up Ford” isn’t correct when you look at them side by side.

The new Fusion Sport won’t even get the 400/400 engine. Yet the Front Page went and reviewed the Fusion Sport vs the Audi. Why would you compare the Ford and not the Lincoln? That doesn’t make sense at all.